Comments on: Rabbi Chananya Lipa Shmuel Geltworth

By: Michele Zoltan

Michele Zoltan — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:41:44 +0000

In response to all of your questions, “Curios” is right in pointing out that the information on the matzeva is actually technically correct. It refers to the family, not the individual connection. “Curios” is also right about the date of the Kohav Miyaakov’s passing (which is recorded in the Tshebiner Rav’s sefer “Dovev Meisharim.”) The Tshebiner Rav was the Kohav Miyaakov’s youngest son, whereas my great-grandmother, Chana Matl Rubin (the wife of the Toster Rav) was, I believe, the oldest daughter, and the older sister of the Tshebiner Rav. Hence the age difference, and the fact that my grandmother, Tzirel Geldwerth, and her uncle, the Tshebiner Rav, were in fact contemporaries and close in age to one another. This answers YD’s question about the apparent age discrepancy. Another sister of both the Tshebiner Rav and my great-grandmother was Leah Turkel, married to R. Feivel Turkel of the distinguished Turkel family. The retired justice of the Israeli Supreme Court, Yaakov Turkel, currently in the news as head of the investigatory Turkel Commission, is a grandson of Leah Turkel, which makes him a great-grandson of the Kohav Miyaakov, (after whom he is named), and a great nephew of the Tshebiner Rav.

By: curios

curios — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:00:17 +0000

Correction: The Rimilover was nifter כא שבט תרנ”ד – 1894, at the age of 54.

By: curios

curios — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:20:48 +0000

The Kochav MiYaakov was nifter around תר”ן. The Tchebiner Rav was the youngest son.

By: YD Miller

YD Miller — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:05:45 +0000

If he was Niftar at age 65 in 1949 then he was born in 1884, would it be possible for him to marry a “Granddaughter” of the Kochav Miyakov? one would think that the age makes him closer to be a brother-in-law of the Tchebiner Rav then a nephew.

But again, if a granddaughter claims so, Curiuos, you are right, the inscribtion can be interperated that way.

By: curios

curios — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:21:48 +0000

YD, if you examine closely, it doesn’t say חתנא דבי נשיאה של… but חתנא דבי נשיאה בבית…, which in his family.
Michele, was your grandmother’s maiden name Tirkel? A daughter of the Rimlover had that name (recently a grandson by the name of Yaakov Tirkel in Israel was in the news, as he was appointed the head of the “Tirkel Committee”, which obviously is called on his name).

By: YD Miller

YD Miller — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:53:34 +0000

Wow what a fascinating thing! so Michele you are saying they inscribed false information on his tumbstone, was this by mistake or on purpose?
What was the family name of the sister of the Tchebiner Rav who Geldwerth was married into?

Amazing!

By: Michele Zoltan

Michele Zoltan — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:28:42 +0000

I am the granddaughter of Chananya Lipa Geldwerth, and this entry/description is incorrect. He was not the son-in-law of the Kohav Miyaakov, nor the brother-in-law of the Tshebiner Rav. He was, in fact, married to the granddaughter of the Kohav Miyaakov. His wife, my grandmother, was the daughter of the Tshebiner Rav’s sister. So Chananya Lipa Geldwerth was a nephew by marriage to the three distinguished brothers (sons of R. Yaakov Wiedenfeld), the Tshebiner Rav, the Dombrover Rav, and the Rimalover Rav.

By: Chulent Pot

Chulent Pot — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:09:58 +0000

It’s his grandson.

By: shaya

shaya — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:18:08 +0000

on Bethel Av. It’s between Lincoln and Washington Av. sec. Shomrei Shboss Anshi sfard all the way in the back of the section

By: Chazak

Chazak — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:18:39 +0000

There is a Lipa Geldwerth at Yeshiva Torah Temima, perhaps they are related.