30 Comments

1. 

   Miller on March 9, 2009 at 8:09 pm

   How was the Rebbe a descendant of the Baal-Shem-Tov (as stated on the Matzieve)?

   The Rabbi in YI of West-Heampstead is named Rabbbi Yehuda Kelemer, is he a dscendant of this Rabbi?
   http://www.yiwh.org/yiwhrab.html

2. 

   Grand Rebbe on March 9, 2009 at 10:02 pm

   Yes, its his son.

3. 

   FYI on March 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm

   Miller:
   Rabbi Yisroel Goodman (the kever is posted on the sight) was his FIL, his tombstone has some more information.

4. 

   Miller on March 10, 2009 at 1:51 am

   Rebbe,
   From what I researched it sounds like a grandson.

5. 

   Grand Rebbe on March 10, 2009 at 2:49 am

   I am confused who is a grandson of whom?
   The order is:
   Rav Goodman
   Rav Yosef Kelemer
   Rav Yehuda Kelemer

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   Miller on March 11, 2009 at 3:12 am

   I taught thad Reb Yehuda is a grandson of Reb Yossef, via a son Reb Berl.

   BTW I would like to know the lineage to the Baal Shem, besides from his FIL

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   Baruch A on March 11, 2009 at 7:16 pm

   I once had a friend (who davens in his shule) asked him and he said that Rav Yosef was his father.
   As for the lineage, not sure, the Rav has yet to answer any of the emails I?ve sent him. I do know that he has a large congregation and its hard to pin him down.
   Thank you,

   Thank you,

8. 

   his grandson on March 14, 2009 at 12:55 am

   Reb Yehuda is a grandson as am I.

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   Grand Rebbe on March 15, 2009 at 3:59 pm

   Reb Grand Son:
   Thanks for leaving the post, hopeful know we will all stop guessing and get some real information.

10. 

    Baruch A on March 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Grand Rebbe:
    Sorry, nobody is perfect.
    Thank you,

11. 

    Miller on March 15, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Grandson,
    What else can you tell us about your grandfather?

    Do you know the lineage to the Baal Shem?

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    grandson on March 16, 2009 at 1:12 am

    the lineage is on kevir of my greatgrandfather,, rabbi israel guttman, for whom i am named.

13. 

    Miller on March 16, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Isreal-grandson,

    I wouldn’t think that someone would consider himself a descendant of the Baal-Shem bacause of his Father-in-law.

    It seems that there is a direct cennection from Rabbi Kelemer alone, do you know who his maternal grandfather was?

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    chernobyl on March 16, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    There’s a very nice discussion about Rabbi Kelemer and his father in law Rabbi Yisroel Guttman, there’s also his lineage to the Baal Shem Tov. It’s in Yiddish.
    http://www.yiddishworld.com/forum/index.php?f=31&t=7106&rb_v=viewtopic

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    Sophie on June 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    My grandmother was a descendant of the Baal Shem Tov, her mother was Kelemer (or Chelmer or Khelmer) חלמר
    from Lubartov. Is there any connection?

16. 

    Nechunya on June 19, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    what any other information do you know about her relationship to the Baal Shem tov? maybe its from her father’s side? what was his name?

17. 

    Sophie on December 13, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    The name of her father was Avraham Mandel (Mendel?)

18. 

    Nechunya on December 22, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Mandel is the family name of the Rebbe’s of Orzistchov.
    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=29141&st=&pgnum=10

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    Sophie on August 7, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Could be from the family name Shapiro (Shapira) from Midzhibuz and later Solobkovci (Ukraine) or from the family name Chelmer (Khelmer?) from Lubartov?

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    Sophie on August 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Solobkivtsi, Oblast Chmelnytsky, Ukraine
    Medzhybizh, Oblast Chmelnytsky, Ukraine
    or:
    Lubartów, Polen

21. 

    Nechunya on November 13, 2014 at 11:57 am

    an article in Hamoar about Rav Kelemer:
    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pagefeed/hebrewbooks_org_27848_18.pdf

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    mimi on March 13, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    my father is rabbi yehuda kelemer of west hempstead..his fathr was a chazan berele kelemer..( u would think i would know this ..but i think yosek kelemer is my father grandfather)

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    mimi on March 13, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    my father is a tenth generation grandson of the baal shem tov..from his daughter udel..( i wish i knew more about my great grandparents..if ur my relative..plz let me know

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    Ben Bee Zee on March 16, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    You are a grandchild not only of the Baal Shem Tov but also of many other of his greatest disciples.

    It’s also interesting to note that your family is interconnected with a few other Rabbis who were in New York

    Your GGF: http://kevarim.vohost.us/rabbi-yisroel-goodman/

    Your great uncle Rav Shulem Bush/Buskis, who’s burial records will hopefully be posted shortly.

    There’s also some family relation to Rav Barash who’s son also married to your Great aunt Mirel Kelemer, http://kevarim.vohost.us/rabbi-yisroel-goodman/

25. 

    Ben Bee Zee on March 17, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    http://moreshesamerica.blogspot.com/2014/09/blog-post_8.html

26. 

    Ben Bee Zee on March 17, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    The Kobriner Rebbe was also somewhat related
    http://kevarim.vohost.us/rebbe-baruch-yosef-sack/

27. 

    Gildin Mark on February 3, 2016 at 9:01 am

    my mother was Udl Kelemer(Rosen) from Kupel.The family legend says she was a descendant of Baal-Shemtov. How could this relation be?

28. 

    Nechunya on February 7, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    Does anyone have a nice picture from Rabbi Kelemer?

29. 

    Paul Rosen on April 3, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    Mark Gildin – My Rosen family is from Kupel also. I have heard the same legend. It would be of great interest if we could see a family tree of the Baal Shem Tov. Does this exist?

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    chusidwannabe on January 15, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    attention all i think i traced the yechius from the BAAL SHEM TOV all the way down to R YEHUDAH KELEMER as follows
    1BAAL SHEM TOV
    2. UDEL
    3. DEGEL MACHNE EPHRAIM (ASHKENAZY)
    4. ETTEL ASHKENAZY – DOVID HOROWITZ
    5 .RIVKA REIZEL HOROWITZ – ARYEH LEIB GUTTMAN
    6.. YISROEL GUTTMAN – ?
    7. DOV BER GUTTMAN (SADIKLOV)
    8.YISROEL GUTTMAN(2ND) -UDEL
    9. MISHKET GUTTMAN – YOSEF KELEMER
    10. DOV BER KELEMER – RIVKA LEAH
    11. YEHUDAH KELEMER – ROCHEL WALKIN